2011 R1200GSA misfire or stall?

I have also experienced this on my 2011 GSA

Its caught me wanting around a slow corner once.

Must admit only stalled it once though

Keep us posted

Wayne

We have solved a couple of these problems. Has the settings been changed

Please contact Shane @ Atlantic Motorrad

021 4174760

I had a misfire before on my GSA, but was worse than you are describing. Mine was running really bad and using much more fuel. It turned out to be the Throttle position switch located on the Left Throttle body. If you have a mate with a GSA, it might be worth swopping the part over to see what happens.

Cheers

If you mess with the throttle position sensor you may need to re-tune the engine. Putting your buddies throttle-body on may or may not improve the running of the bike, depending on luck - if you are lucky his settings are close enough to what yours need to be to be tuned.  However, if you do tune the bike and it runs fine you may have found the problem.

It could also be that your bike is just idling too slow, so it is not able to take up a quick injection of fuel.  Maybe up the idle a bit (or fit one of those resistors to your air intake temperature sensor cable).

If Shane at Atlantic can't diagnose it in 15min then ask the question again, otherwise let us know what the problem was!

Take the bike to Atlantic and ask him to have a look at it.  I'm sure he'll have an answer for you within 5 min, even if it's "Let me put it on the computer for you sir and I'll give you a call".  You can call him on (021) 4174769.

Let's hope it's something as simple as “Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebars to the saddle.” (Apologies for stealing your line Tarryn  )

Just an update, I took my bike back to Hamman Motorrad last week, Johan was very helpful and gave it a check-up, he says the cold start noise is from the pulley belt and cannot be tensioned on the new DOHC motor, it is however unrelated to the 'misfire' issue, not much can be done about the noise.

On that note, Johan did a MOSS update however the 'misfire' symptom is still present. It is going back on Monday for further investigation, I will report back with an update.

Does anyone here own a 2011 ADV (or possibly a standard GS) - does it make this noise in the mornings and do you experience any of this 'misfire' (or possibly a pre-ignition) symptom?

Come ride mine sometime and compare. (2011ADV )

Wayne

My 2011 GSA also have a rattle when I start the bike in morning and it's on the side stand. When I start the bike on the centre stand it doesn't chatter.

What fuel are you using and do you have an aftermarket air filter on the bike?

Heya Wayne, I may just do that thnx

Hi Corne, I am going to try this tonight, I have thought of leaving my bike on the centrestand overnight, could be interesting if it doesn't make that noise :-o

I use unleaded fuel and the bike is stock standard.

thnx
Kevin 

I always park on the centre stand.  Otherwise oil pools in the cylinder and burns off when I start.  Also, the bike should not run for extended periods on the stand (like when warming up in the morning).  The engine is designed to run upright.

Kevin,

If Wayne has no objection we could take three bikes and go ride somewhere to give you ample time to try two different bikes.

-or- we could just take one of our new bikes and ride it together.

My invitation stands.

Chris Hamman

Anytime , I always keen.

Wayne

Hi guys, it has been 2 months since my last post on this issue. I have purposely left it awhile so that I can see if things get better after the bike is better run in. I now have 9800kms on the clock of my 2011 R1200GSA. Despite that this pre-ignition condition has improved since the last checkup, ie. it has not stalled, it still does the occasional shudder on a throttle blip. This may be normal with the new DOHC motor however it has reached a point where the irritation has caused me to want to sell the bike. So, if anyone is interested in a full house (with BMW topbox and panniers) 2011 1200GSA please contact me.

Kevin
kevin@pixelsandbits.co.za

Hi Kevin,

I find it amazing how "some" bikes just seem to be so different from others, and produce the weirdest symptoms, where others don't. I feel for you dude, but unfortunately have no skills to even OFFER you a suggestion. I'm a 4 week old 1200 Adventure owner (2nd hand) and hope like hell mine doesn't start acting up like this one.

However, in saything all this, I'm also astounded that BMW feel this is "normal".

Wishing you luck with this, possibly a letter to BMW head Office, or even Germany might be needed.

Alan

Just an update on this pre-ignition issue. I have requested that this be escalated to BMW HO for their response. I have uploaded a video clip where it can be clearly heard how the motor respond to a throttle blip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty4fGRF86gc&feature=youtu.be

I have done the same test with my 2011 GSA

http://youtu.be/fTb4LAwn1i0

something is not right with your bike, i don't think its got anything to do with "bliping". 

It must be something else and I'm with you  BMW need to find the issue and resolve it or give you another bike ;)

Good luck!

Corné from Tasmania

I don't really blip while riding but my 2009 or 2011 GSA have never stalled on me.

I thought blipping was for wankers.  Then I started using it when changing down and found it made the change go smoother (because the engine and gearbox were running at similar speeds) - even while using the clutch.

Then I realized that the blipping allows you to change down without clutching at all.  Now the clutch has become a second-class citizen for gear changes, and only gets used for slow riding, pullaways and occasional gear changes from first or into overdrive.

And since starting on the trials bike I don't think I could ride without blipping - sometimes that 2-stroke wants and needs a blip.  However, the blipping the the video seems a bit extreme to me, but then I ride an 1150 so have no basis for comparison.

I'm a blipper Charles...you can call me a wanker if you like but now your changing without your clutch!

Hi Kevin, you must be frustrated by now...I have only experienced a near stall when pulling away at lights in 42 degrees.

I think whats happening is when you blip the throttle the computer is telling the fuel managment system to supply juice and then you shut the air supply off and the left cylinder is too rich and stutters.

Dont sell the bike...give bigger blips.

You're no wanker - you're a Badger

I have always blipped the throttle when changing down for the reasons described by Charles. The BMW gearbox does not contain synchromesch rings, it is what is commonly known as a crash box. When changing up I pause for a split second to give the engine and box time to equalise rpm.

I must admit that the twin cam gearbox is the best I have experienced on any BMW.

As for stalling and noises, my twin cam is fault free.

Just another update. I have had my bike back to Hamman Motorrad for a 10 000km service where, amongst other, the "software was updated". The matter was escalated to HO where they say "there is nothing wrong with my bike". The pre-ignition (aka detonation) has improved somewhat, however now my fuel consumption is much higher and power is down. The HUD indicator now displays an average of 6.5l/100km’s, it was 5.9l/100km's before. I did 429km’s (with 9km’s remaining) on a full tank. My second tank went onto reserve at 389km’s and indicated 55km’s remaining. While riding very conservatively on my 3rd tank I went onto reserve at around 440km's with 43km's remaining. I could get almost 600km’s on a tank previously. Hamman Motorrad are investigating and checking out their loan bike as it has the same pre-ignition/detonation issue and will provide me with feedback.

6.5l/100km