Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...................I hate this type of bad publicity................

I know a John Wileman and he's a BMW man

If what happened is an accurate account then I am most dissapionted 

I know they were wrong to ride on private land, but if they didn't damage his crops or recklessly chase his animals around what is he getting so worked up about?

All he had to do was ask them to leave after all they did go up to him and apologize and not try to run off causing more damage in the process.

As I said, they were in the wrong but they approached him to apologize, is it so difficult to be nice to someone?

p.s 90% of farmers would have chatted to them and told them why he didn't want the on that part of his farm and where he didn't mind them ridding through.

My Question to GREG is what was he planning to do with the PUMP ACTION SHOTGUN

His very Bold in an open FORUM to threaten Violence

Greg Moore [mailto:gregmoore@mweb.co.za]

Think he should be more carefull in choosing his words.

Not cool to ride on his Farm I agree

Wayne

If they were loud scramblers they weren't BMWs but from the story as told:

A few guys were given a map showing  where they could ride.

They went off track (taking a chance or got lost?) and encroached on a neighbouring farmer's land.

They were obviously happy to talk if they were giving their info to the farmer, and from what I can gather they left when asked to.

Doesn't sound bad to me and I'm not sure what the problem was, though brandishing a weapon sounds somewhat confrontational and unneighbourly.

These are the guys that will cause that we will not be allowed to ride "off-road" anymore without special permits and permissions like in Europe or like the 4x4 guys on our beaches.

Takes a few monkeys to stuff it up for everybody. Its private property and that’s it, respect that.

More and more farm roads that used to be open gates are now getting locked because of stock theft etc... we don’t need hooligans to go and make it worse!

I have seen people wheelie across the farms barnyard and then they are surprised that the next Sunday they get there the gate is locked.

WTF do you expect!

Sounds like both parties were wrong.

From the letter it appears that the guys knew they wre on private land, the 'oh fok' comment.

As for the farmer - shouting abuse and armed with a rifle - well, thats not the way to win friends.

They should all be sent to their rooms without dinner.

Farmer's are bike friendly and we just have to accept that they moved into the country areas for peace and quiet away from the City and I do respect that..........There are quite a few farm gates on that route so one has to realise that means private land.......roads through the farms are their only route in most cases and although they cant really stop you on a public road we as bikers do have to realise that noisy bikes will annoy them..........even BMW have such models such G450/650's and some have very loud exhaust systems........brup brup ........ring ding ding......when going through farm roads with houses close to the public road we SHOULD be a little more considerate........to people and animals.......my 2 c

"I have seen people wheelie across the farms barnyard and then they are surprised that the next Sunday they get there the gate is locked.

WTF do you expect!"

"......when going through farm roads with houses close to the public road we SHOULD be a little more considerate........to people and animals......."

I couldn't agree more.

Ride through someones farm near their house or animals, public road or not, on your backwheel with a huge dust trail and expect to be confronted aggressively. But if someone shows consideration then that is what should be shown back.

Just my Zim$

 p.s I have it on good authority that the Hells Angels are not the ones to approach with regards to bikes misbehaving. They in turn might just want to go visit farmer to "chat" further with him about his attitude towards bikers. The MAWC now that might help.

And he is of the opinion that all motorcyclists are the same in their attitude and it is incidences like that that give him fuel for his thoughts and the fact that he thinks the "Angels' will sort his problem out ???

He was just angry as his mrs  probably gave him a hard time ?????

Who knows............

Violence begets violence and it solves zilch !

(except in Malema's case ....in whose case I will just set that other cop with the unregistered vehicles to ride over him! )

I am a 45 year old business man from Cape Town, who entered the farm next to Bonniedale totally innocently, as there was no gate and the road seemed to continue onto the said farm, once Wynand and I realized that we could not access the trail on the opposite of the river we turned around to be met by the farmer and his gun, he swore at us and threated us with a firearm, we apologized  to him and explained that we got lost and immediately left his properly and returned to Bonniedale farm, where I met with him and the owner of the farm, I immediately apologized to the farmer and owner of Bonniedale again and said that if I could turn back time I would. I then shook the farmers hand and thought that was the end of the matter.

I was then informed by a client of this posting on your forum.

I would like to Request that Peter recalls his statement calling us wankers as he does not have all the facts, secondly I will be consulting with my legal advisors about the incident and the fact that the farmer threatened us with a firearm.

I have never been a member of the hells angels and consider myself an eco friendly motorcyclist.

No matter what side of the story one is inclined to prefer, there can never be an excuse for threatening with a firearm.

Thanks for the update jwbmwza.

It might not mean much, but I totally agree with PeterO.

Hi Tbk

You should know me better than that !

Safe riding

John W

Hey John,

Did say "IF" the facts were accurate.... Happy you told your side of the story:-)

But then there was that incident with an Alfa GTA near N1 City......